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Solani: Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g Pipe Tobacco
Product Number: 003-061-0015
A bold blend of dark and light burleys from Solani, the classic earthy notes really shine through in Aged Burley Flake, as does the nicotine that accompanies those heavy, robust flavors.
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- Components: Burley
- Family: Burley
- Cut: Flake
Customer Reviews (70 Total)
I hate burley...
April 09, 2018
By:
Todd p.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
moked incredibly well. It doesn't taste like burley...at least no burley I've tasted. This stuff tastes how I've always imagined good tobacco is suppose to taste. It's rich, a bit woody, a bit leathery, a touch nutty...it just tastes old. The aroma of the burning tobacco smells wonderful. Kinda leathery and...cinnamon??? Really really really nice stuff...kinda bums me out that it's so hard to get regularly. Seriously if you like the taste of pure tobacco this HAS to be on your list...or wait...I mean it's terrible...just awful stuff...seriously don't buy it ;) Read Less
Quality Blend
June 15, 2018
By:
Roberto Flores
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
This might be he highest quality blend I have ever tried. Mechanically it does wonderfully, smokes very cool. Flavors are all very earthy, musty. Low notes. Dark chocolate, coffee. Very good blend highly recommend.
Coffee Carpenter
April 10, 2017
By:
Tuxedo Briar
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Flavor and aroma is liken to drinking a strong cup of coffee over a freshly hewn cedar plank. I would most definitely recommend to anyone who may be a fan of smooth, bold flavor.
Not Dark Fired!
July 30, 2018
By:
KYBURLEY
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
making it. No, I just wanted to let anyone reading this know that this flake does not contain Dark Fired Kentucky tobacco despite the incorrect description by smokingpipes. It used to say it contained some Dark Burley from Kentucky, but that's not the same leaf. This is primarily White Burley with a touch of licorice, and probably molasses, but they are merely casings not top notes so they are very faint. Read Less
A fast favorite
February 24, 2018
By:
nathan9000
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Just a really great, quality blend from Solani. This is the blend I go to when I’m able to treat myself to a morning smoke with a good cup of espresso. Lights and burns easy, great flavor... will definitely be stocking up in the future.
Smooth as Silk Burley Blend
September 17, 2017
By:
Charles L.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
moisture content (I dried mine briefly before smoking), and a tin aroma that made me reach for my pipe.
I lit up and settled in for a very enjoyable smoke. Honest burley flavours all the way through the bowl, and nothing but ash at the end.
If it was a bit less expensive, it could easily be an all-day smoke. As it is, I'll use ABF as a celebration burley. Took a half star off the rating due to economics. Will buy again. Read Less
Sold out in one hour?
March 09, 2018
By:
Kurt S.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Just put a 1 tin limit, shut the hoarders down.
Good Burley blend
January 18, 2018
By:
Amsey M.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
co very delicious. Read Less
Ultimate Burley
July 28, 2018
By:
BradNTx
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Smoke is in a just any pipe, and it’s a nice, flavorful smoke. If you fold and stuff it in a Burley dedicated cob, it is one of the best smokes ever!
Smooth
May 15, 2018
By:
Dr. MWG
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
op-quality producer in general; not surprising this is tough to get! Read Less
Mike drop
March 15, 2018
By:
Garron L.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Light it up [mic drop], nuff said
Top of My Rotation
September 24, 2015
By:
Ben T.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
This tasty blend has made it to the top of my rotation. This has become my go-to blend. Enjoyable anytime of day it's the bomb. In my opinion the "Aged" part of the name best explains it. Kudos Rudiger. Good job.
Outstanding!
January 27, 2013
By:
Rudolph A.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
on to ABF. I have also tried Wessex Burley Slice and while good, not as good as ABF. This Solani offering has become my number one all Burley smoke. simply outstanding! Read Less
Irregular
August 27, 2021
By:
Jugghead
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Fell in love with abf 656 and they quit making it i guess ? Been since DECEMBER since I've seen a flake and THIS IS SEPTEMBER!!
A Burley for everyone.
October 15, 2019
By:
indoeuropa
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
le brandy or calvados. I'm a longtime VaBur smoker and fairly inured to nicotine, but there is a definite perk up hidden in the bowl. Read Less
Cream of the Crop
July 20, 2019
By:
Nicholas T.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
is brown sugar, cocoa, nuts, and anise, like a very refined exceptional Sir Walter Raleigh, and the tin note is cocoa. The room note is like baked goods and dark fruit like plums. I was smoking this in my garage, and when my wife came in she said it smelled like I was cooking raisin bread.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the best tobacco I’ve ever smoked, my new favorite. I’m a lover of burley above all other types of tobacco, and this is a the cream of the crop. Read Less
My Spirit Tobacco
July 08, 2019
By:
PhantomWolf
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
anure (from the Kentucky, no doubt.) Some Vitamin N, though not overbearing. Burns slow and perfect. Little relighting when properly 'aired n prepared'.
Calming. Thought provoking. Not a tobacco to be smoked while entertaining guests, as it is sure to arrest one's mind.
Room note is horse manure, herbs, and overcooked coffee. Not necessarily bad, though squares will likely complain. Stick to the 1-Q for your dinner party.. Go back to this once your mother in law screws-off back to Fort Lauderdale.
Absolutely no bite.
Maybe my desert island blend.
Pipe Used: Multiple Briars and Cobs
Age When Smoked: Tins of this do not last long on my shelf.
Purchased From: SmokingPipes. I would purchase a lifetime supply from The Devil if I could.
Similar Blends: Winning the lottery. Falling in love. Buying my first new car.. Read Less
Finest burley ever grown
August 13, 2018
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
I like Burley, but this is the absolute BEST I have ever smoked. No bite, just delicious Burley flavor. Wow, I love America, but the EU has the absolute best Burley crop. Worth every penny.
Just Burley
March 27, 2017
By:
Joe boy
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Not a bad smoke I'm not used to Burleys so I kind a liked it once in a while I smoke it very easy I can't tell you to buy it or not to buy it since I'm not a Bernie fan I'll probably smoke it again though nice smell and taste to it
Enjoyable blend
November 07, 2016
By:
Damassin
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Earthy aroma ..tasty with no bites .. recommended in the late evening smoking
More Perfect
July 07, 2015
By:
vinnie799
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
ke fine straight from the tin. So, I found that if I let it air a bit under a desk lamp for about 20 minutes it's even More Perfect a smoke. Slim wide flakes that I find are a bit much due to it's strength but using just a half at a time in a medium briar is just right for me.
Now, the biggest reason I am writing this review is that I smoked a tin of it that I somehow squirreled away a year or so ago( I do date the tins as they arrive), and it was nice dark flakes and smoked exquisitely. I finished THAT tin and opened another that just came in last week and I noticed that the newer tin is much lighter in color. And has a very slight nip in the taste. I can only figure that the other tin had aged and the lighter burleys became darker and smoother I would almost say that the tobacco that became darker might have been a pinch of Virginia? Nah, t's Aged Burley Flake right?!
Anyway, if you can hide a few tins from yourself you won't be sorry. Read Less
Smooth Natural Burley Flake
March 10, 2015
By:
AZ Mountain Geek
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
- dark brown Burley from Kentucky, light Burley from Brazil, and white Burley from Malawi - Southeast Africa. A very natural blend with absolutely no additives or flavors - a true Burley blend." In other words, no Virginias. If you can believe what Solani says, they've managed to bring out that sweet cocoa burley flavor without the cocoa and molasses/brown sugar casings that others add - a pretty amazing feat of masterful blending. To me this blend has slightly milder flavor than Wessex Burley Slice (which is not surprising if it doesn't use casing), but the Solani is smoother, and still very flavorful, rich and creamy. I like the Wessex too, and when I'm in the mood for a stronger and spicier flavor will smoke it, but most of the time I prefer the Solani as it tastes more natural to me. The nicotine level is moderately-high, but not as high as Peterson Irish Flake or HH Old Dark Fired. The flakes have just the right moisture content and don't need drying. If you like burleys and haven't tried this one, you are missing a treat. Highly recommended! Read Less
Pinnacle o' Burley
October 31, 2013
By:
HurlyBurley
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
of burley, look no further and expect no funny stuff. Read Less
Best Burley Available
January 15, 2013
By:
Bill
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
light sweetnes to the blend. You would be hard pressed to find a better burley blend anywhere. Read Less
Top-Shelf Burley
January 06, 2020
By:
James Marc R.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
F is much smoother. The ingredients must be reported and are available to the public via BMEL. Mac Baren HH Burley Flake is pretty darn good too, but it’s a bit lighter and purer tasting burley flake when compared to Solani ABF. HHBF is also a daily smoke – unlike ABF. The tannic quality associated with the burley is less pronounced in ABF as the fermentation and flavorings have smoothed if not sublimated this. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just different and not what we’ve come to expect from burley. The dark burley has been fermented with moisture and heat, and shines brilliantly in this with a deep earthy note. The leaf is stout and tingles the nose, with the white burly offering a little sharpness at time. It’s more for special occasions rather than a daily thing. Contrary to what some may think or say, burley isn’t going to change much over time. So aging isn’t going to alter this too terribly much. It’s NOT a nicotine powerhouse as the nic level is on the lesser side of moderate; 1.5 out of 5. It’s a 5 star burley, but I’m taking a star back due to price... HH Burley Flake is every bit as good, if not better, and is easier on your wallet. Read Less
Mmmm
November 27, 2019
By:
Jugghead
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Just read the rest of the reviews... I pretty much agree with everyone! If you wanna taste str8 up tobacco like how I Invision it in my mind to taste you have to try this stuff ... pure gold!
Germans do it better!
October 19, 2019
By:
Augie
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
This is by far the best burley flake I've had a chance to try. It's one of the few blends I've stockpiled in my cellar. The nuttiness of the burley is awesome. It burns beautifully. Works well fold-and-stuffed, cube cut, or rubbed out. Simply great.
I Love Burley
October 17, 2019
By:
MelGibson666
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Best of the best. I don’t know how this could be better. I detect no Dark fired Kentucky in this blend. There is a difference between dark fired Kentucky and dark burley.
First True Burley
September 03, 2019
By:
puffingmypipes
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Earthy, nutty, burnt coffee. This stuff is rich and smells amazing, a truly authentic tobacco experience.
Excellent!
August 30, 2022
By:
Fred U.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
If you’re curious about this blend and love burley you won’t be disappointed. I put on the same level as Wessex burley slice and if you like that you’ll like this too. Buying more
Solani is the best
December 02, 2020
By:
Ohood
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
It has cocoa taste, earth and wood, best burley for me
Zen
May 26, 2019
By:
DK Acolyte
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
est Burly I have smoked. I had my first zen pipe moment on a bowl of this as well. The sweet fruity flavor on the exhale brings a wonderful paring with the normal nuttiness of the Burly. Read Less
I get it now.
March 28, 2019
By:
Paul C.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
nd if you haven't tried it yet, you need to. Read Less
The Apotheosis of Burely
March 23, 2019
By:
A Natural Man
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
depth and complexity to Solani’s Virginia flake and Orlik golden slice. A frequent go-to. Read Less
Crisp and Tasty
March 04, 2019
By:
• Adam •
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
ter the pipe is over there’s no harsh aftertaste in the mouth. Read Less
Yes,it has nicotine....but
October 29, 2016
By:
CSmoke
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
rd will not allow me.Another first class tobacco from Mr. Will. Read Less
Exceptionally High Quality
June 16, 2015
By:
GFGraham
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
sting was this tobacco. For me, this is definitely a slow, rewarding smoke. Definitely not an all-day smoke, but great for those times (after a meal, for example) when you just want to sit and ponder. Stay seated, though, because the nicotine will creep up on you. EDIT: I've now tried it in a couple of pipes, both folded and rubbed out. It's even better than first reported. The nicotine is still high, of course, but it's much milder than I first thought. Read Less
To love this flake is torture, for how absurdly difficult it is to acquire anymore
September 20, 2023
By:
Bradley H.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
already sold out. I even have email alerts on so I can tell when I get one specifically so I don’t miss out on this blend since my stash of it has long run dry. This seems like the norm though with this blend. It’s like this everywhere. Extremely frustrating. They should let you just buy it and go on a list, for it to be shipped when the stock comes in and your name comes up on the list. That way people who aren’t terminally online who have to work for a living can get ahold of this elusive blend. Read Less
Outstanding
September 09, 2023
By:
Gluteus M.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
keptical. But on the first lot - omg. What a smoothness. And refinement. Not a hint of harshness and bitterness of the most of freshly made blends that dominate the market. What a nutty rich goodness. Comparing this blend to a typical, let's say, Sutliff blend is lake comparing French XO cognac to Russian vodka. Totally different league. Gives me an idea of what proper treatment and aging can do to tobacco. I do understand the hype, the scarceness and the difficulty to obtain this product. And I am happily joining the legion of seekers - will but it on any opportunity then arrives as much as I can Read Less
Great Burley
August 04, 2023
By:
Donnie E.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
hing a Burley should be, nutty and slightly sweet. It’s for the experienced smoker in that it requires a little drying time and has a good nic hit. If you like Burley, this should be on your bucket list. Read Less
awesome!
January 31, 2023
By:
JassonWB
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
and nic is mild to medium. Flavoring is mild to medium, with Cocoa as a constant background note. Taste is medium and consistent, with notes of very woody, toasted bread, unsweet cocoa, molasses, spices, earthy, bitter dry vegetation, citrus peel, brown sugar, floral, savory, a tangy zesty, coffee, spicy/acidic, a semi-sweet nutty background note, and a mildly peppery retro. Burley is leading with the Flavoring supporting. Room note is pleasant to tolerable, and aftertaste is great. Read Less
Old Book
January 07, 2023
By:
OP Briar
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
for sure. Every other aspect of this tobacco is fantastic, but there seems to be a flavor here from a life form that isn't tobacco, and it is quite strong. Read Less
Great burley
December 12, 2022
By:
Nick S.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
I initially didn’t care for it, but it has quickly grown on me. I like it better than HH Burley Flake now, which was my previous favorite burley. It has a bitter chocolate note that is very enjoyable. Too bad it is hard to get!
The real deal
May 23, 2022
By:
Tom C.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Get some you'll love it on it's own but I make my own blends with it too, I'll add some vaper & other flake tobbaco to it. I love Burley tobbaco and this is so good I have a pound of it now.
If you can find it buy it
March 26, 2022
By:
Stealthy piper
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Should be in anyone’s rotation. Just the best burley I can think of and I’ve tried quite a few. It’s definitely in my top five.
Square tin 2015 unopened
November 27, 2021
By:
Vigliucci
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
to the taste, aroma. Put some away when you buy this. Burley ages incredible. Read Less
Masterpiece Burley
October 17, 2021
By:
The Hot Piper
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
r can be a little overpowering sometimes. But that’s like saying its too good at being a tasty, flavorful, burley when the common problem I find with other blends is 1 they either lack flavor or 2 they execute that flavor poorly this does neither! However to get the most out of this tobacco I think it’s best when paired with something salty or savory. In my case specifically I think cigar leaf is the answer I mix ABF with Briar Works Country Lawyer almost every time I smoke it and it just adds another layer to this already amazing flavor profile but also provides a little toast to slather this butter in! Read Less
Superb
September 10, 2021
By:
Terry G.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
r find a more satisfying product. A trip to Europe may be necessary though. The availability has turned this dedicated afficiando into a crazed seeker. It's been almost a year since my favorite has dissapeared and it's not likely to show up gor quite some time. I've considered an European adventure in my quest but given the recent circumstances and the risk, I'll be forced to patronize the gougers and black markets. Shall I give up my quest for this noble blend, I say never. I'm devoted and loaded with perserverence. Try something else you may suggest, well thats fine for the weak and submissive. This is an all out mission to have and hold forever. Read Less
Woody-earthy-nutty
July 22, 2021
By:
Aaron S.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
urley is an important player for several blends that gives body, fullness and nuttiness. Read Less
Most Excellent
July 20, 2021
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
This is my favorite burley to smoke. Nice and smooth, great mouth feel and excellent flavor. Highly recommended.
The third pillar of legendary burleys
July 17, 2021
By:
Unholy Smokes
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
at light burleys are well known for. The tin note is damp wood, fig, and molasses, while the room note comes through with a bit of that coffee, an earthy essence, and a note that I personally find quite common among good burleys that's something like freshly washed laundry and breakfast cereal, if that makes sense. Lol It may require a relight or two, but I find it to be quite easy to smoke. Cool and steady burning, given proper breaking up and drying time. Definitely worth getting your hands on, if you can. Read Less
Reminiscent of a discontinued favorite
March 20, 2021
By:
Robert R.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
in preparation and taste. Fully rubbed out the flavors are more immediate, when I simply "fold, ball up and insert" the flavors seem more concentrated and take a bit more time to open up. Either way the deep natural flavors of Burley, honey, molasses, figs, raisins dominate with very subtle spices and sweetness abound in perfect harmony Read Less
Sooooo good
March 10, 2021
By:
Yuan Yang K.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Hight quality burley.
Solani does it again.
March 03, 2021
By:
Alexis S.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
ied mouthfeel. Definitely the type of blend that could be an everyday smoke. Read Less
Good as I thought it would be.
December 08, 2020
By:
Makarov
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
s to be the big amount of earthiness very heavily nothing was ever close to this from my past experiences!
I really enjoyed it especially in the middle of the forest in early December weather.
I felt kind of nostalgic feeling. Reminded me of my early army days when I was crawling between the bushes in the dirt. Amazing stuff.
You could feel alittle bit of dark chocolate if you try to focus.
Surely a must thing to reorder once again!
Thank you! Read Less
An Albrecht Durer Masterwork In Burley Flake Form
September 27, 2020
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
alesces to form a blend that can take its smoker to the moon. And I don’t mean with it’s clearly potent Vitamin N blast. These moist flakes, coffee-like in the tin note and coffee-like (at least to me) during the smoking and in the aftertaste, achieve that end through sheer flavor and smoothness. It’s a brilliant concoction, a sum of many carefully blended parts, almost as if a great drawing or painting by Renaissance master Albrecht Durer was transformed into tobacco form, for our pleasure. 5.0 stars. Read Less
Earthy, dark chocolate with a dash of strong coffee
July 25, 2020
By:
Juan_SHG
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
d I recommend letting it dry for about 20 to 30 minutes as it will be perfect afterwards and a heavenly delight. At least for me .... Read Less
An unusual burley
July 14, 2020
By:
Andrey L.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
al palette, not typical for your usual burley. While very complex, the taste that sums it up is cocoa and it tastes best towards the end of a smoke. Smoking it and getting the best of what ithe blen has to offer did take a while as only by the end of the tin I finally figured out how to pack the pipe right (I smoke it rubbed-out): it has to be packed as loosely as possible - 2/3 of your regular filling as it expands more than any other blend I've encountered. When packed right, it produces a long, cool and flavorful smoke. As for the nicotine, didn't notice it being as high as some have mentioned. Read Less
packs some nicotine
July 06, 2020
By:
Chenyang H.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
m to round it up. Read Less
Chocolatey Burley
June 21, 2020
By:
TGregg
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
I could smoke this, and only this, forever. Rich chocolatey burley perfection in flake form. It's hard not to eat this stuff, honestly.
Qualitatively
June 01, 2020
By:
Nicat A.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Good tobacco, sweet taste, strength is closer to 2. Smokes evenly, humidity is optimal right from the can.
I Dont Care For Burley Blends But...
May 18, 2020
By:
Charles M.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
sting sticky texture.
The smoke begins with a your expected nutty, woody, earthy, characters that burley blends are known for but the natural molasses note begins to appear quickly. Thought his tobacco that will not satisfy a sweet tooth, it does off an excellent interplay between sweet/savory, molasses/ nutty.
The sweet molasses character has become more pronounced. If you aren’t used to Buley’s, give it time. This blend is becoming quite a wonderful smoke. It really combines well with a cup of coffee or tea with a bit of milk, as the creaminess goes well with the molasses.
Nic: Slightly above medium, though I did have it with coffee in the morning without much issue. Slight headache.
It is quickly becoming a top blend for me and will probably be switched out time to time with the Va/Bur blend University Flake in my rotation. A wonderful burley blend that lives up to its hype! 8/10 Read Less
My Favorite Burley
April 23, 2020
By:
Thomas M.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
a little bit of cocoa if I slow down my cadence. I think a lot of people that describe tobacco in flowery adjectives are full of it most of the time. For me, you either like the taste or you don't. And I like the taste of this. A lot. I've got a dozen tins stashed as we speak, and will be adding more as often as I can. Read Less
Very Earthy
April 02, 2020
By:
M. Scott
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
s would be a great morning smoke with a cup of strong coffee. Not a strong nic hit, but it's there. No bite, but I was smoking it in a Stanwell with a 9mm filter. Adding this one to my buy again list. Read Less
Exceptional quality
February 20, 2020
By:
The Beerded Dog
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
Got some in my rotation and it’s truly remarkable!
I didn't get it.
January 25, 2018
By:
Matthew S.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
I read all the positive reviews about this blend and thought I must try it. I just didn't get it. I found this very uninspiring. So I've put it away and will come back to it another time. If my opinion changes, I'll update this review.
Learning about burley
June 27, 2016
By:
Jonathan L.
Product: Solani Aged Burley Flake - 656 50g
I can taste the mild cacao and graham cracker like flavours from time to time, but there is this overall palate drying quality to Burley's that turn me off. And a noticeable dry wood/cedar pencil shaving flavour that is not appealing. So for me, this one is not getting reordered. Maybe you are a burley fan and will love this, but if you are not on the burley train, this may not convince you either. Read Less
